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Police stopped traffic before the plane hit; Eyewitness says he saw a plane
Topic Started: Jan 27 2008, 06:16 AM (3,859 Views)
Hetware

I have been provided with a very credible witness account. A truck driver who was on I395 near the Pentagon when it was hit says that the police stopped traffic before the Pentagon was hit, and that he saw a "really big plane" hit the building. He said the plane was rolled significantly when it hit, and that he saw it clip a light pole. Unfortunately, I am not in a position to divulge my sources at this time.
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bileduct

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Jan 27 2008, 06:16 AM
I have been provided with a very credible witness account. A truck driver who was on I395 near the Pentagon when it was hit says that the police stopped traffic before the Pentagon was hit, and that he saw a "really big plane" hit the building. He said the plane was rolled significantly when it hit, and that he saw it clip a light pole. Unfortunately, I am not in a position to divulge my sources at this time.
Look out, bud, you've just opened yourself up here.

They will point to the fact that traffic was stopped as further conclusive evidence that it was an inside job.

It doesn't matter what else your witness says as, like everyone else, he was deceived by an elaborate military sleight of hand.
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Hetware

I don't follow. 9/11 was an inside job. What's your point?
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bileduct

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Jan 27 2008, 08:57 AM
I don't follow. 9/11 was an inside job. What's your point?
The testimony of your witness destroys the NOC and flyover theory. That is my point.
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Hetware

The flyover scenario never made sense to me in the first place.
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Domenick DiMaggio

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Jan 27 2008, 06:16 AM
I have been provided with a very credible witness account. A truck driver who was on I395 near the Pentagon when it was hit says that the police stopped traffic before the Pentagon was hit, and that he saw a "really big plane" hit the building. He said the plane was rolled significantly when it hit, and that he saw it clip a light pole. Unfortunately, I am not in a position to divulge my sources at this time.
Whew!

Thanks for the groundbreaking research!

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Hetware

I never claimed that it was "groundbreaking research". It really wasn't even research. It was more like someone I have known well for years told me what one of his coworkers told him. The only significant aspect of the report that adds anything new to my understanding is that the traffic was stopped before the plane hit. I have not had a chance to talk to the guy in person, so I'm not sure how long the traffic had been stopped before the plane hit.

I have no doubt that a jumbo jet hit the Pentagon. I never seriously doubted it. The damage pattern is not consistent with anything smaller. Especially not a cruise missile.
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Aldo Marquis CIT
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Hetware
Jan 30 2008, 01:21 AM
I never claimed that it was "groundbreaking research". It really wasn't even research. It was more like someone I have known well for years told me what one of his coworkers told him. The only significant aspect of the report that adds anything new to my understanding is that the traffic was stopped before the plane hit. I have not had a chance to talk to the guy in person, so I'm not sure how long the traffic had been stopped before the plane hit.

I have no doubt that a jumbo jet hit the Pentagon. I never seriously doubted it. The damage pattern is not consistent with anything smaller. Especially not a cruise missile.
Yeah Craig, that's why I didn't reply.

This is no different than telling stories around a campfire. "My cousin's best friend's sister's boyfriend's mailman saw the plane hit..."

This is just a second hand story told by someone else. In the grand scheme of things, pretty useless unless this person can be contacted and is willing to come forward and verify this account.

And just so you know, Hetware, ain't nobody talkin' about cruise missiles anymore.

You may want to take a look at the work that we've done. It is pretty darn conclusive.
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Hetware

Actually, for me, what the guy said caries a lot of weight. I'm not really very interested in trying to follow up on it. I've grown weary of all the nonsense. The Rube Goldberg flyover theories(sic) are not really worth refuting.
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Aldo Marquis CIT
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Hetware
Jan 30 2008, 03:25 AM
Actually, for me, what the guy said caries a lot of weight. I'm not really very interested in trying to follow up on it. I've grown weary of all the nonsense. The Rube Goldberg flyover theories(sic) are not really worth refuting.
Really? What about the FACT that the FDR does NOT match the physical damage and the security gate video(which would require the image of a plane in a descent angle)?

If you're not interested in trying to follow up on it, why did you mention it?

It is hearsay from hearsay.

Ok you tell me, Hetware, what happened at the Pentagon? Why did all those witnesses place the plane on the north side? Why did our witness on the river tell us the plane came from east side of the Potomac?
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Hetware

Aldo Marquis CIT
Jan 30 2008, 03:47 AM
Hetware
Jan 30 2008, 03:25 AM
Actually, for me, what the guy said caries a lot of weight. I'm not really very interested in trying to follow up on it. I've grown weary of all the nonsense. The Rube Goldberg flyover theories(sic) are not really worth refuting.
Really? What about the FACT that the FDR does NOT match the physical damage and the security gate video(which would require the image of a plane in a descent angle)?

If you're not interested in trying to follow up on it, why did you mention it?

It is hearsay from hearsay.

Ok you tell me, Hetware, what happened at the Pentagon? Why did all those witnesses place the plane on the north side? Why did our witness on the river tell us the plane came from east side of the Potomac?
The data is missing from the final two seconds of the FDR file.

As for following up. What's the point? If I do, I will simply be called a shill, a liar, etc.

Your tiny minority of witnesses is not persuasive to me. Especially not in the context in which people are intentionally trying to plant false information.

The physics is consistent with a 757 hitting the Pentagon on a trajectory crossing the Navy Annex parking lot. I don't have any reason to doubt it. I can do the math. I fully understand the physics. It's not really complicated.

The only other massive component of the plane is the landing gear. Its mass was also concentrated in the fuselage. The wings are hollow and designed to be light-weight. They are the equivalent of aluminum feathers in comparison to a fortified concrete structure.

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Domenick DiMaggio

Hetware
Jan 30 2008, 05:37 AM
The data is missing from the final two seconds of the FDR file.







This isn't possible. PFT called NTSB and recorded the conversation with them regarding this due to some nuts claiming it was missing 5-6 seconds of data. A claim they totally fabricated, completely unsubstantiated, and unsourced. It is accurate within .5 second.

What is your source for the above claim of 2 seconds of missing data?

And why is it that for all you people who believe a plane hit the Pentagon that everything that would prove it and resolve the issue once and for all has some sort of defect?

5 frames dated the next day and still missing the most crucial frame.
Doubletree timestamp shows clear evidence of tampering.
3 camera angles missing from the Citgo video.
80+ videos from the Pentagon that won't be released including the camera right above the impact hole.
Confiscated 911 calls.
Corporate Media & PNAC members for eyewitnesses.

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Your tiny minority of witnesses is not persuasive to me.


So then you know 7+ people who saw the plane approach from the South side of the Citgo clipping light poles on it's way to impacting the Pentagon?

Because so far CIT has 7 people who saw the plane approach from the North side of the Citgo and none of them seen the plane hitting light poles (which makes sense since the light poles weren't anywhere near there).

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Especially not in the context in which people are intentionally trying to plant false information.


Pot meet kettle.

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The physics is consistent with a 757 hitting the Pentagon on a trajectory crossing the Navy Annex parking lot. I don't have any reason to doubt it. I can do the math. I fully understand the physics. It's not really complicated.


Listen if we did monthly "stundie" awards like the sewer rats do this would win hands down.
















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Aldo Marquis CIT
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The data is missing from the final two seconds of the FDR file.


I think Dom corrected you pretty well on that. One small correction though, it wasnt the NTSB that made the statement of 0.5 seconds. It was the manufacturer of the FDR, L3 Communications. Its regulation as per ED-55 and TSO-124.

Also, even if the FDR was missing 2 seconds.. its still too high.

But I was referring to this my friend...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3752900324142560520&hl=en

and go here and do some homework so you don't keep posting incorrect information:

http://z9.invisionfree.com/Pilots_For_Truth/index.php?showtopic=4801

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As for following up. What's the point? If I do, I will simply be called a shill, a liar, etc.


Not necessarily. You haven't done or said anything to cause me to believe that. You are just misinformed I believe.

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Your tiny minority of witnesses is not persuasive to me.


So then you agree the claim is extremely damaging to the official story of 9/11, correct?


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Especially not in the context in which people are intentionally trying to plant false information.


Well then clearly you believe that. So are you accusing these witnesses of planting false information??????? Do you believe we are part of this also????

So why don't you go to your gov't representative and have us all brought in???? We would prove a conspiracy would we not? If they/we were intentionally planting false information then they are part of a conspiracy.

You aren't thinking this through, Hetware. Weren't you a supporter on the old scholars forum? Maybe I am wrong.

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The physics is consistent with a 757 hitting the Pentagon on a trajectory crossing the Navy Annex parking lot.


What does that mean? That is just a vague generalized statement that does not consider that A. The FDR does not reflect this and B. The witnesses DO NOT place it there.



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I don't have any reason to doubt it. I can do the math. I fully understand the physics. It's not really complicated.


No you do have reason to doubt it. You HAVEN'T "done the math" and you do not fully understand. You are just saying whole lot of "opinion".

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The only other massive component of the plane is the landing gear. Its mass was also concentrated in the fuselage. The wings are hollow and designed to be light-weight. They are the equivalent of aluminum feathers in comparison to a fortified concrete structure.


No, that plane was a PRESSURIZED projectile that weighed 100+ TONS! You are not thinking this through nor have you truly scrutinized the evidence. The hole at the south tower is the first clue that you do not know what you are talking about. You let me know when you want to get into SPECIFIC DETAILS and not just VAGUE GENERAL UNSUBSTANTIATED OPINION-BASED STATEMENTS.

Edited by Aldo Marquis CIT, Jan 30 2008, 12:09 PM.
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Terral
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Hi Domenick and Heatwave:

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Domenick >> Whew! Thanks for the groundbreaking research!

Heatwave >> I never claimed that it was "groundbreaking research". It really wasn't even research. It was more like someone I have known well for years told me what one of his coworkers told him. The only significant aspect of the report that adds anything new to my understanding is that the traffic was stopped before the plane hit. I have not had a chance to talk to the guy in person, so I'm not sure how long the traffic had been stopped before the plane hit.


Domenick is obviously being sarcastic for some reason. :0) The northbound traffic was stopped from morning rush-hour traffic seen in this picture of the single smoke plume. Lloyd testified that he was the last vehicle allowed onto Washington Blvd, as the cops barricaded the lane behind him [my note].

Barbara Honegger’s Interview:

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Ms. Honegger >> The driver said his was the last car allowed onto that section of I−395 before police put up a barricade and that he decided not to immediately leave the scene like the others "because I realized this was history and I wanted to see for myself." He stated that he saw no evidence of a plane having impacted the building nor any visible plane pieces on the lawn at the time he arrived, which was after the first violent event in the building [9:31:39 AM], as black smoke was streaming up and to the right from inside−the−building fires.


The fact that certain lanes were being closed for the President’s visit later that day is no mystery at all. Alan Wallace makes note of the same series of events in his testimony:

Alan Wallace Account:

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Alan Wallace >> As I said, we were expecting President Bush about Noon, which would be a Code One Stand-By. In such situations, one of the problems I see at the heliport is that there are too many people there. Plus, there are many vehicles, including Secret Service, Pentagon SWAT, U.S. Park Police, D.C. Cops on motorcycles, and the two Presidential Limousines. And, some of these vehicles even park in front of the fire station apparatus door, blocking the fire truck from exiting the building! That is why I wanted the crash truck out of the station and parked in a good location, for easy access to the heliport in case of an emergency.


Alan Wallace had moved the Titan Foam Truck outside the garage in position to meet the 10:00 AM helicopter ‘and’ President Bush’s 12 noon helicopter at 8:30 AM that morning, which coincided with the “Secret Service, Pentagon SWAT, U.S. Park Police, D.C. Cops on motorcycles, and the two Presidential Limousines” already on the premises. BTW, the idea that anyone could ‘stage’ light pole evidence in this environment is completely ridiculous, because that would require EVERYONE to be involved from all of these different government agencies. :0) The fact that some lanes were being barricaded by the police is nothing out of the ordinary for this particular day and situation. However, then you go on to say,

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Heatwave >> I have no doubt that a jumbo jet hit the Pentagon. I never seriously doubted it.


You what?? :0) Please show us one picture of Flight 77 crashed anywhere. You are saying that one of these babies going 533 miles per hour did one of these numbers (video = movie version), but only created this much damage shown again here and here. You probably think this (Flight 93) is a picture of another crashed 100-Ton Jetliner too. :0) Please show us ‘your’ evidence proving that Flight 77 crashed anywhere near the Pentagon on 9/11 or any other day.

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The damage pattern is not consistent with anything smaller. Especially not a cruise missile.


Really? And you can eliminate the possibility of a missile strike (like this) from what evidence?? :0) These frames show a very small (20-inches) diameter flying object striking the Pentagon and going boom! The damage produced an 18-foot diameter entry hole in the E-Ring wall ‘and’ a smaller 8 to 10-foot diameter exit hole pointing to the “South Of Citgo” Flight Path trajectory heading from this damage. Please show us where your two 6-ton Rolls Royce Engines impacted the E-Ring wall? :0) Where is your 100-Ton Jetliner (try counting all the seats) hiding?

GL,

Terral
Edited by Terral, Jan 30 2008, 01:20 PM.
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Craig Ranke CIT
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Lloyd never "testified" anything to Barbara Honneger. If you notice she doesn't quote him and there is no interview anywhere to be found and she doesn't even mention the light pole at all! Why do you think this is? It's because she never talked with Lloyd. Barbara supports our research and has referenced it in her presentations. We spoke with her in person at a 9/11 conference and she said that the person she was referring to was "middle eastern". Clearly it could not have been Lloyd or the "lone cab driver" as she had claimed. So either she is mistaken or for whatever reason not being truthful. Regardless without a direct quote from Lloyd you can not accurately claim that he has "testified" anything.

What underscores this is the fact that she doesn't even reference his name!

His name is well known and has been used as a major part of the propaganda following the event.

There is no valid reason for her to leave out that information.
Edited by Craig Ranke CIT, Jan 30 2008, 01:30 PM.
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Domenick DiMaggio CIT
Jan 30 2008, 10:26 AM
Hetware
Jan 30 2008, 05:37 AM
The data is missing from the final two seconds of the FDR file.







This isn't possible. PFT called NTSB and recorded the conversation with them regarding this due to some nuts claiming it was missing 5-6 seconds of data. A claim they totally fabricated, completely unsubstantiated, and unsourced. It is accurate within .5 second.

What is your source for the above claim of 2 seconds of missing data?

And why is it that for all you people who believe a plane hit the Pentagon that everything that would prove it and resolve the issue once and for all has some sort of defect?

5 frames dated the next day and still missing the most crucial frame.
Doubletree timestamp shows clear evidence of tampering.
3 camera angles missing from the Citgo video.
80+ videos from the Pentagon that won't be released including the camera right above the impact hole.
Confiscated 911 calls.
Corporate Media & PNAC members for eyewitnesses.

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Your tiny minority of witnesses is not persuasive to me.


So then you know 7+ people who saw the plane approach from the South side of the Citgo clipping light poles on it's way to impacting the Pentagon?

Because so far CIT has 7 people who saw the plane approach from the North side of the Citgo and none of them seen the plane hitting light poles (which makes sense since the light poles weren't anywhere near there).

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Especially not in the context in which people are intentionally trying to plant false information.


Pot meet kettle.

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The physics is consistent with a 757 hitting the Pentagon on a trajectory crossing the Navy Annex parking lot. I don't have any reason to doubt it. I can do the math. I fully understand the physics. It's not really complicated.


Listen if we did monthly "stundie" awards like the sewer rats do this would win hands down.
















Pure ad hominem. No content.
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Domenick DiMaggio

Hetware
Jan 30 2008, 03:12 PM
Domenick DiMaggio CIT
Jan 30 2008, 10:26 AM
Hetware
Jan 30 2008, 05:37 AM
The data is missing from the final two seconds of the FDR file.

This isn't possible. PFT called NTSB and recorded the conversation with them regarding this due to some nuts claiming it was missing 5-6 seconds of data. A claim they totally fabricated, completely unsubstantiated, and unsourced. It is accurate within .5 second.

What is your source for the above claim of 2 seconds of missing data?

And why is it that for all you people who believe a plane hit the Pentagon that everything that would prove it and resolve the issue once and for all has some sort of defect?

5 frames dated the next day and still missing the most crucial frame.
Doubletree timestamp shows clear evidence of tampering.
3 camera angles missing from the Citgo video.
80+ videos from the Pentagon that won't be released including the camera right above the impact hole.
Confiscated 911 calls.
Corporate Media & PNAC members for eyewitnesses.


Pure ad hominem. No content.
Source for FDR Data

And as Aldo pointed out I was incorrect as to who verified it was the manufacturer of the FDR, L3 Communications and not the NTSB that said it was accurate to 0.5 second.

I also trimmed it down and bolded the 'non-content' for you. Perhaps you can tell me which parts you are in disagreement of and why?

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Terral
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Hi Craig:

If you post (#15) is addressed to me, then please be so kind as to include my name (Terral) in the opening salutation.

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Craig >> Lloyd never "testified" anything to Barbara Honneger. If you notice she doesn't quote him and there is no interview anywhere to be found and she doesn't even mention the light pole at all! Why do you think this is?


Barbara’s last name has two g’s and one n, BTW. Please forgive, but you are making so many ridiculous claims on this Board, that a 911Truther is having difficulty keeping up. :0) Anyone can go to Barbara Honegger’s paper and read the 911Truth for themselves where she says:

http://blog.lege.net/content/Seven_Hours_in_September.pdf

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Barbara >> I interviewed the famous "lone taxi driver" whose cab is the only car visible still parked on I−395 above the Pentagon lawn looking down at the west face after the other cars have left the freeway. This taxi can be seen in overhead photos taken on the morning of 9/11 and viewable on the Internet. The driver said his was the last car allowed onto that section of I−395 before police put up a barricade and that he decided not to immediately leave the scene like the others "because I realized this was history and I wanted to see for myself." He stated that he saw no evidence of a plane having impacted the building nor any visible plane pieces on the lawn at the time he arrived, which was AFTER the FIRST VIOLENT event [9:31:39 AM missile strike] in the building, as black smoke was streaming up and to the right from inside−the−building fires. The taxi cab driver drew a diagram of what he saw that morning while overlooking the Pentagon’s west face from I−395.


Barbara tells us that she did indeed interview this famous taxi driver, which directly opposes your statements above. Lloyd even drew her a picture of the single smoke plume coming out of the little impact hole showing the black smoke (upper picture) going up and to the right (south). Barbara did not care about the cotton picking light pole . . . She is establishing the ‘9:32 AM’ First Explosion Time throughout the entire paper. Do we know the difference between ‘inside-the-building fires’ and the massive 300-feet long fire that came ‘after’ Lloyd’s “Big Boom”??? Does that (another shot) look like “inside-the-building fires” to you? :0) No. That is because five minutes PASS between the 9:31:39 AM ‘first’ explosion AND the BIG BOOM that created the massive fires from ‘second’ 9:36:27 AM A-3 massive explosion (bottom pic). If you guys had a real Pentagon Timeline, then these things would already be self evident . . .

GL,

Terral
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Craig just ignore him. I can actually hear the life and intelligence being drained from you dude.
Edited by Aldo Marquis CIT, Jan 30 2008, 05:05 PM.
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Your tiny minority of witnesses is not persuasive to me.

Is there a large majority of witnesses that say the plane flew south of the CITGO? How many witnesses say south as opposed to north?
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The physics is consistent with a 757 hitting the Pentagon on a trajectory crossing the Navy Annex parking lot. I don't have any reason to doubt it. I can do the math. I fully understand the physics. It's not really complicated.

What created the exit hole?
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Hi Aldo with Craig, Heatwave, Russell and YCHHT mentioned:

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Aldo >> Craig just ignore him. I can actually hear the life and intelligence being drained from you dude.


First of all, let us all agree that we are participating in “Pentagon Research” with the common goal of discovering ‘the’ 911Truth ‘and’ that we are all on the same team. That means the CIT boys give their explanations and the rest of us give our explanations and everyone else gets to decide if anyone has a well-supported interpretation of ‘all’ the evidence. Craig and Russell and YCHTT and MANY members of the old LC Board helped me greatly to see that a real PLANE did in fact hit the Pentagon. However, I could NEVER have benefited from all of their combined knowledge and effort by simply placing those with opposing views on ‘ignore.’ That kind of logic forces people into regurgitating the same old story for years and years, when the evidence has been saying something else all along.

The fact that you think ignoring the substance of my Pentagon arguments, ‘and’ have no rebuttal at the same time, indicates that Aldo is willing to place blinders over his own eyes rather than simply debate these topics honestly in search of ‘the’ 911Truth. If you really believe that kind of attitude is going to generate a big CIT following of converts, then perhaps you need to think again. We should also agree that the LC member with the explanation closest to matching ‘all the evidence’ should eventually be victorious in all these debates for the simple reason that nobody can muster up a good rebuttal or counterproposal. There are many of you and just one of me and if your CIT arguments withstand the test of meaningful deliberation, then so be it. However, if the facts prove that ‘my’ two attack explanation answers all the questions without creating a single contradiction, then that is just the way the ole cookie crumbles too. If you see any explanation from me that contradicts the evidence, then please ‘quote >>’ that and help me to see things more clearly from your own perspective.

Yes. The cops stopped some Washington Blvd traffic ‘before’ the First Pentagon Explosion took place at 9:32 AM, but that was perfectly normal for this particular day; because the president was supposed to land at the heliport pad at high noon. Therefore, the fact that Heatwave’s truck driver saw the PLANE ‘and’ traffic already stopped is really no big deal at all.

GL in the debates,

Terral
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Hi Avenger:

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Avenger >> Is there a large majority of witnesses that say the plane flew south of the CITGO? How many witnesses say south as opposed to north?


The fact is that we have “South Of Citgo Flight Path” witnesses and “North Of Citgo Flight Path” witnesses, because the same PLANE approached the Pentagon using BOTH flight paths and just 5 minutes apart. However, the 9:31:39 AM “South Of Citgo Flight Path” witnesses ‘also’ saw the light poles flying around, but the 9:36:27 AM “North Of Citgo Flight Path” witnesses saw no light poles being hit at all, because they were already knocked down 5 minute earlier. :0) However, the initial DAMAGE to the Pentagon was done using the “South Of Citgo Flight Path,” which we know by looking at the damage schematic. We know the ‘first attack’ took place from the SOUTH, because of the alignment of the E-Ring entry hole ‘and’ the C-Ring exit hole on this trajectory line that just happens to line up perfectly with our five downed light poles (green flight path). The fact that ‘other’ witnesses saw the same painted-up Jet attack the Pentagon using the “North Of Citgo Flight Path” five minutes LATER changes nothing about what these “South Of Citgo Flight Path” witnesses saw ‘and’ changes NOTHING about the Pentagon Damage done along that flight path. The ‘Two Attack’ scenario REQUIRES two sets of witnesses, which is exactly what we have for this Pentagon Case.

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Avenger >> What created the exit hole?


The C-Ring Exit Hole was created by one of three exploding L-Pill Devices designed and delivered to murder everyone between Column Line (CL) 13 and CL 15 on the first floor of the Pentagon and on ‘this’ 45-degree angle flight path. Have you ever played chess before? :0) Imagine that a Pentagon column is standing in the corner of each square, then realize the ‘south’ flight path was chosen to simulate a bishop taking a queen diagonally across the entire board. The three L-Pills detonated just inside the Navy Command Center, in the center of the Navy Command Center to create the hole in the concrete slab (middle picture), until the final incendiary Lethal-Pill device exploded against the rear C-Ring wall to murder everyone in the Defense Intelligence Agency area. This small section of the Pentagon was packed to the brim with everyone connected to the missing 2.3 Trillion dollars ‘and’ the potential military resistance to the ‘inside-job’ carried out on 9/11. There is no evidence of what created this damage, because the L-Pill devices went BOOM, just like the missile that delivered them to these locations using the ‘South Of Citgo Flight Path’ at 9:31:39 AM.

GL,

Terral
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Craig Ranke CIT
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Has anyone ever read an entire post of Terral's? They are so long, and so devoid of any actual information that they are impossible to get through.

Barbara Honnegger posted no transcript, video, or audio of an interview with Lloyd and never even bothered to quote him or reference his name.

Terral referenced a PHOTOGRAPH and claimed that Lloyd drew it!

wtf?

Barbara told us that Lloyd was middle eastern.

She is clearly mixed up about the person she spoke with as Lloyd is clearly not middle eastern.
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Terral
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Hi Craig with our gracious Moderators mentioned:

Please attack the ‘theory’ and resist the temptation to attack the ‘theorist.’

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Craig >> Has anyone ever read an entire post of Terral's? They are so long, and so devoid of any actual information that they are impossible to get through.


I would love to be defending something from my Police Stopped Traffic Before The Plane Hit explanations, which from Alan Wallace’s testimony seems very much normal for this particular day. The fact is that my posts on this thread are very much ‘shorter’ than my average posts from the old LC Board. The Mods were right that I was repeating myself far too much and far too often, but it took a while for their wisdom to sink in. :0) The fact is that Craig has NO REPLY to anything I have written on this thread, so he has no choice but to whine about something . . . BTW, people write volumes on these Pentagon Topics and my posts above represent very small offerings by comparison.

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Craig >> Barbara Honnegger posted no transcript, video, or audio of an interview with Lloyd and never even bothered to quote him or reference his name.


Holy Molies Batman, Craig still cannot spell the woman’s name right. :0) Barbara Honegger (one n) stated emphatically that she interviewed (search interviewed) Lloyd, which you can continue to deny if that makes Craig happy. Barbara had no reason to include a long history of Lloyd’s account, because her thesis paper is built upon establishing the 9:32 AM First Explosion and NOT anything about light poles or anything else related to Lloyd’s testimony. You and I know full well that Barbara is writing about Lloyd the famous taxi driver . . .

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Craig >> Terral referenced a PHOTOGRAPH and claimed that Lloyd drew it!


My, my. For a fellow with supposed investigator skills, even the simple things appear to escape your notice. Barbara Honegger said,

http://blog.lege.net/content/Seven_Hours_in_September.pdf

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Barbara Honegger >> The taxi cab driver drew a diagram of what he saw that morning while overlooking the Pentagon’s west face from I−395.


What? Am I supposed to draw you a picture? :0) Barbara ‘did’ interview Lloyd England ‘and’ Lloyd did draw for her a diagram of what he saw that morning. Period. He also testified TO BARBARA that the initial attack included only ‘inside-the-building fires,’ but all of that has been presented to you already. If you think anything is errant in any of my posts, then please highlight that and bring that to my attention ASAP and I will do my best to do the same thing for you. Perhaps your partner’s assertion from Post #19 has more truth than we realize . . .

GL in the debates,

Terral
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Aldo Marquis CIT
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Please god, make him stop.

Mods does there ever come a point where you read this guy's stuff and go "WOAH this is not right"?

Please read his posts and try to follow them and think about what he is saying. I have debunked the snot out of his THEORIES. They are insanely incorrect.

Remember, first time readers still come here. We are the closest thing there is to an accurate representation of what happened there. We don't mind being wrong about some things or tossing a discussion back and forth, but the information being posted here is aboslutely incorrect and could be considered serious misinformation if not outright disinformation if proven to be intentional. I think he may just be an over zealous guy who feels the need to get involved and contribute his theories that he spent so much time concocting. He is muddying the waters and making our job harder. Confusing the new people is not a step in the right direction and generally is used by the enemy to slow our efforts.
Edited by Aldo Marquis CIT, Jan 31 2008, 11:55 AM.
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